Tradeskill Writs unfair for Sages?

[Naech]

As an artisan I think it's nice that we now have a way to help our guild out by doing tradeskill writs. I also appreciate that they finally started giving a little coin for the completion of these writs now, especially since the sage class is dependent upon others(and so probably has to buy materials). What I don't appreciate is the fact that we have to have a higher level of success than the other classes in our combines. The Provisioner and Weaponsmith that I have talked to tell me that they only need a level 2(shaped) final product, while we need a level 3(app 3). I understand that if we were only to need an app 2 final product then we'd only need to have a level 1 success, which would unbalance things in our favor. The app2/app2/app3/app4 structure seems to be the unbalancing factor, but an easy fix would be to change it to app2/app3/app3/app4. On the surface this all might night seem like much of a big deal...so what if you have to put a little extra time in to get that extra level of success. But, since we do need a higher quality in our final product, that also means we need to have a higher quality ink to start with, which costs more. Add that to the fact that a lot of alchemists aren't having the pre-patch 95% pristine rate anymore, means that the cost goes even higher.

Is there any reason why changing the structure to app2/app3/app3/app4 would unbalance things? The only thing I can think of is that it would make app3s cheaper, but the existance of app4s already does that. Let me know what you all think, and maybe we can try to get this change put into the game. Thanks.

-Naech

[bigron]

i had 1 tier 3 writ givein to me when i was lev 35 sage and it was app 3.since then its been all app 2s tier 4.

tho we can bang out the writs fast by just doing crude lev combine,i really wish they would give us app 3s so atleast can get some xp by makeing at least regular spells.

atleast with app 2s we can buy crude ink for cheap so its not so bad imo.

[ezzarsan]

i am a lvl 21 sage i use all pristine and know how to work the spells well so well in fact that out of all the spells i have made to date i have missed one app4 so out of close to 100 spells i miss one if you know how to work your trade good whats the prob? ps i try to work even spells as often as i can as well ,but in all fairness to those new to tradeskilling as we all were at 1st your right they need to work on this /strogg

[Trebor]

So whats the final verdict? Do we need App 3 or App 2 ? I think most sages out there can manage pristine 99% of the time (nothing you can do when you get red numbers 20 times in a row like I did once lol....) the original complaint of this thread was that we had to go one step further along production than other writ trades-killers!

[bigron]

/shrugg as i posted after got 1 app 3 they have been nothing but app2 i wish i would get app 3 writs then get decent xp.have done 9 writs so 1 app 3 and 8 app 2s.sucks getting no xp for the writ heh.

[javalin]

26 sage i have done one writ was level 21 spell app3 is fine if you ask me more exp got another writ but need to make ink yet it is also calling for app3 but its a level 24 spell now

[Naech]

Thanks Trebor for trying to get the thread back on track. The question isn't whether you can make app3s, but rather is it fair that we have to go that one level farther than others for the same reward. When making 10 spells the extra time put in to get the next level of quality isn't negligible. Neither is the cost difference between shaped inks and regular quality inks, especially since the difficulty level of making inks has been raised lately.

Also, Bigron's first statement makes me wonder if we're supposed to be doing app2s, but anything tier 3 or lower happens to be bugged at the moment.

-Naech

[Viliarna]

Thanks Trebor for trying to get the thread back on track. The question isn't whether you can make app3s, but rather is it fair that we have to go that one level farther than others for the same reward. When making 10 spells the extra time put in to get the next level of quality isn't negligible. Neither is the cost difference between shaped inks and regular quality inks, especially since the difficulty level of making inks has been raised lately.

Also, Bigron's first statement makes me wonder if we're supposed to be doing app2s, but anything tier 3 or lower happens to be bugged at the moment.

-Naech
Look, it is pretty simple to unravel the mystery.

When the game started, you made "App III" because that was the intended result of having reached the end of the second progress bar. The game did not have a further positive for going higher, which I think all can agree was a mistake.

When they rectified the mistake, by creating the App IV spell result for "pristine", they naturally scaled down from there for lesser quality. App III, App II. They would do App I for the most base result except that App I spells are of no value, so they just make it App II also. But they have not yet bothered to go back and fix the writ/workshop tasks to take into account that they now should be wanting App II instead of App III. This may be because they aren't sure how to make it so that we have to get to the end of the second progress bar, given that there is no difference in end product between the first and second bars.

I am certain they will eventually get to this. For my money, make the dud result App I; if you can't get past THAT, just sell it to the wholesalers for $$. Make the writs and tasks App II. Then we'll be at the same level as everyone else. :)

[Belmara]

Well, its unfair, but there is an minor advantage too.

Yes, we have to complete items to the third stage of progress, whereas other classes only need to complete the second stage. So this does make it a bit harder. Also, it means you'll need a primary ingredient of at least that 3 level. Shaped ink is no good here, for example. ( In fact, is shaped ink really useful for anything? Maybe just practice?). Completing items to this third stage takes a bit longer too.

The slight advantage, and I think its very slight, is the extra bit of experience we get. Making an item to the third stage of progress yields a bit more experience than stopping after the second stage is complete.

[bigron]

tier 4 writs is app 2 no app 3s. so when start getting those writs it will become a moot subject.imo there are other issues that would be higher on my list then this one.

[Llayena]

While App IV's would result in more exp, the point of tradeskill writs is to help level your guild. As it has been stated, shaped ink sells for far less than pristine.

As an example of why this would be important, pristine ink costs 30s-50s each on my server. Shaped sells for 8s. The reward for a tier 3 writ is 1g 8s. So, 300-500 silver to complete a writ for 1g 8s or 80s to complete a writ for 1g 8s. (And that does not include the paper or quills !!)

[CyclopsSlayer]

On Befallen, an Ink+paper+quill set run me far more than the writ could ever pay. On a good t3 spells cost me 50s each, so 5 Gold for a truly pitiful return of 2000 status.
At the same adventure level I can do 4 adventure tasks at the same time for 8000 status, and often about 1gp in drooped loot to sell, in less than 2 hours.

Grrrrrr....

[Agania]

I'm a 17 scholar and went to receive my first writ to help my guild out one from a guild writ and one from the scholar guild, i received a cooking (trail mix ) and a tailor vest writs, is this natural for scholars to receive task that are away from there skills? I even ask for a new task to receive a tailored trousers writ. If i finish them will they move into a skill i'm more capable of finishing w/out 30 tries? Am i Bugged or just need to work through it?

Thanks for any help

[Llayena]

I would say no. My level 21 woodworker got a writ to make vanilla cakes, a level 19 provisioner recipe. But, a tailoring writ and a cooking writ for a scholar would have to be level 9 or lower recipes. Seems odd to me. Did you bug it?