So much for turned maple... Now no value.

[Rontero]

Merry Xmas patch. Nerfed the Turned Maple. not sure what else.

[biohaze]

Hehe you beat me to it. Sure was nice of the devs to give us a nice christmas stocking full of coal lol.

[Rontero]

Hehe you beat me to it. Sure was nice of the devs to give us a nice christmas stocking full of coal lol.

I know. Is nothing sacred anymore? Talk about Scrooge. First they ruin provisioners for the weekend and weeks to come and now they will ruin us poor woodworker's holiday.

I had three stacks of maple scraps ready to go. I'm actually happy they nerfed it. I was dreading the grind of making them.

[Spresso]

*Sigh* It may be a 'new' game, but a lot of the old traditions live on. This is the kind of thing that really gets irksome after a while. No warning, no notification, no justification.

A while ago, they were talking about having vendor buy-back prices 'reflect' the cost of producing the item, with perhaps a small profit. It's hard for me to see how 'No Value' reflects the cost of sandpaper and resin (four each to make 3 spindles). I don't see the vendor giving away paper and resin, so I can only assume that craftsmen are being punished for using a perfectly legitimate recipe that they must have known about from beta. It's not 'just' a nerf, it's some kind of payback for the sin of sitting around a dank cellar grinding out something to compensate for all the unsalable furniture and junk.

It was a pretty lucrative thing, if you sunk a ton of time into it, but I always figured that it was their way of encouraging a craft that produces items not highly in demand. Practically all that's left for carpenters now is strong boxes, I guess. They *could* have lowered the price or reduced the output of spindles, but they chose to throw out the baby with the bath water. So now I have a carpenter who can't support himself and a provisioner who is undercut by his own society.

Merry Xmas, Mr Scrooge.


Spresso Beane

[Korsis]

Okay, so I'm going to ignore the fact that Sony very specifically said that you should not make a profit on sellback to vendors, which is exactly what many people were doing with turned lumber.

And I'll also ignore the fact that I've been trying to warn people all along, every time this comes up, that this sell back was clearly imbalanced and due for nerfing any time now.

I think I'll even ignore the fact that you are, in effect, whining about no longer being able to exploit a bug, which I believe is against the rules of this forum.

I'll just mention that the patch message for today says, under the "Gameplay" section:
Made a few minor adjustments to the pricing of some tradeskill by-products. They had previously been priced as end products, not by-products.

I read this and knew immediately that turned lumber sell back had been nerfed. And yet you come here and say that it was changed with "no warning, no notification, no justification" when all three were clearly given? I don't think so.

[Sorvani]

Merry Xmas patch. Nerfed the Turned Maple. not sure what else.
whaa. this was a bug and everyone knows it. it was already in effect on test as a part of the big patch. it and Loam were obviously broken. i'm glad they nipped this one now instead of letting money influx for another 2-3 weeks before the big patch.

[Rontero]

I read this and knew immediately that turned lumber sell back had been nerfed. And yet you come here and say that it was changed with "no warning, no notification, no justification" when all three were clearly given? I don't think so.

Hehe At first I thought this was directed at me. I didnt think I ranted that much. :)

It is a bummer to do it on Christmas. I mean it wasnt exactly new and could have waited till tomorrow. :)

[Rontero]

whaa. this was a bug and everyone knows it. it was already in effect on test as a part of the big patch. it and Loam were obviously broken. i'm glad they nipped this one now instead of letting money influx for another 2-3 weeks before the big patch.


Relax, I wasnt exactly getting bent over it all. Notice two messages down how I even said I was sorta happy. The reality is that there are much better ways to make $$ than this. Heck you can make way nore silver just running from broker to wholesaler.

[Korsis]

Hehe At first I thought this was directed at me. I didnt think I ranted that much. :)

It is a bummer to do it on Christmas. I mean it wasnt exactly new and could have waited till tomorrow. :)

Or swapping the patches for the 23rd and the 25th would have been a great idea, IMO.

I agree it was weird to do something like this on Christmas, especially after they said they were delaying the big patch until January because they didn't want to make any changes that would risk introducing new bugs when many of their staff was away on holiday.

But pretty much everyone knew that it was coming eventually. We were all just wondering when. We really should have started a pool. ;)

[Jintou21]

Ohh, here I was thinking I could grind out my next lvl on these & make a few silver :( oh well back to filling orders for maple strong boxes.

atleast I made 1gold off this while it was still around. I honestly thought it was there to make up for the lack of sellable goods.

Well better take advantage of the bonus xp while it's still there. :D

[Rkasha]

Made a few minor adjustments to the pricing of some tradeskill by-products. They had previously been priced as end products, not by-products.

Um, but aren't maple scraps "by-products"? How come you can sell maple scraps to the NPC vendor?

Turned maple lumber prices needed to be changed? That's understandable... so lower the value, but why NO VALUE tag it? It's an interim product needed for other receipes (well at least one receipe). Since other interim products (metal bars, resins, washs, oils, etc.) have value to the NPC vendor, then it stands to reason that turned maple should have some kind of value.

Just my 2 coppers...

-=Rkasha=-

[Spanners]

Hehe you beat me to it. Sure was nice of the devs to give us a nice christmas stocking full of coal lol.

:) And what's wrong with that?

After the bells of Hogmany in Scotland the tradition is that it is good luck for the first person to step foot through the door is a dark haired male carrying gifts of coal, salt bread and a dram of whiskey. Coal for the hearth to bring warmth to the new year, salt bread to bring prosperity and to fend off hunger and the whiskey..... well to drink of course. (The reason for the dark haired male?..... because the sight of a tall blonde bloke scared the living daylights out of a people who used to be raided regularly by Vikings)

Getting given a whole stocking full of coal would be considered very GOOD luck.

[Rpgplaya2]

I had some ash scraps left over from helping a guildie with a stack of quills and paper. I then procede to make turned ash, grinded away at it, got the "your inventory is overflowing" message. I then proceded to the merchant npc to off load the stuff. They wernt listed in the sell section... i was like, hmmm.. maybe its broken. So i looked at the turned ash item, and it said no-value. I had just wasted ungodly amounts of tier 3 resins that go for alot of money on the broker. I figured wth, ill just sell the ash scraps i have left. Tried to sell those, and bam, no-value. I dont know about you guys.. but that really made me mad.

[Moonshade]

I had some ash scraps left over from helping a guildie with a stack of quills and paper. I then procede to make turned ash, grinded away at it, got the "your inventory is overflowing" message. I then proceded to the merchant npc to off load the stuff. They wernt listed in the sell section... i was like, hmmm.. maybe its broken. So i looked at the turned ash item, and it said no-value. I had just wasted ungodly amounts of tier 3 resins that go for alot of money on the broker. I figured wth, ill just sell the ash scraps i have left. Tried to sell those, and bam, no-value. I dont know about you guys.. but that really made me mad.

Sorry you found out the hard way, but that change has been in game for almost 2 weeks now. Since X-Mas day for the turned, not sure how long for the scraps.

[Elyana]

Scraps were just made into no value this patch Moonshade. The day before patch I sold some =) The day of they had a no value tag on them.

[Wiltavian]

Yup just happenned with the last patch. Nice how they try to stealth it in and give no mention they did it in the patch notes.

[JuneauCB]

Loam is still sellable to vendor. For how long is anyone's guess.

[Magnum]

While I don't have a problem with Sony making scraps No Value, I do believe that they should have introduced additional recipies that used them. As it stands now, the only recipie that uses them are the idols, which require 1 quill. That 1 quill makes 2 maple scraps (I believe) which in turn makes 3 turned lumber. Since you only get 1 quill, that means you have 1 scrap and 2 turned lumber left over with apparently nothing you can make with it. Either give it a value (less than before isn't a problem) or insert additional recipies that use them.

[NerissaGoldenrose]

I don't know when it changed, but even pristine maple lumber now only gives one scrap. I noticed it making quills over the weekend for spells -- I ended up with the same # of scraps as pristine lumber. I guess someone at Sony realized it was silly too.

I haven't tried making turned maple, so I don't know if they changed that as well, or if it still makes 3 per scrap.

I think loam will continue to be sellable to a vendor because it is something that another player might conceivably want. Thus, the vendor will buy it at (assumedly) less than what you could get another player to pay, as a lower-reward alternative. Anyone who needs turned maple can make their own (and, realistically, has no reason NOT to, since the maple scraps are there from making the quill), so there's no reason to sell to another player, and, by extension, no reason for a merchant to buy it, since the reward of selling to a vendor can't possibly be lower than selling to a player.

[Moonshade]

You had to figure that scraps would eventually be no-value since the product of them is. I'm actually surprised they didn't do both turned and scraps at the same time. Would've made more sense. However, devs and coders are human and can't catch everything.