Best Use for a rare "X"....

[Durgrok]

I'm posting this here instead of in Outfitter because really, it applies to those devoted maniacs of the Tailor sub-branch, even when we're all still outfitters.

Ngreth mentioned in another thread that using an average UNsullied pelt would be a "waste" of a rare - the question I put to the collective "you" then:

What is a good use of a rare "X"?

In this case, X= average unsullied pelt, but to be sure rare copper or low quality pelt, etc, would be worth discussing, too.

Is a Cured Pristine Tunic a better use than a Cured Pristine Backpack?

Expound! Elaborate! Elucidate! Educate!

[Arnah]

Ok for rare gem stones USE THEM TO MAKE ADEPT 3's
pelts this is realy up to you, rember the pack can be trader. and well a 10 slot pack is a 10 slot pack after all. Armor that is made will end up having to be atuned to a player so when it greys out its tossed. same thing goes with rare roots and metal for armor and weapons. The roots at least can be made into realy nice rugs and stuff by craftsmen.

[mebrhea]

Please check out the rares guide (http://eq2.eqtraders.com/articles/article_page.php?article=g34&menustr=040000000000) on the main site.

As for whether a tunic or a backpack is better, well, that's a personal choice.

[Durgrok]

It's the personal choice I was digging after - Ngreth, for example, seems to have a personal choice he has some strong feelings about. I was simply wondering why people went with one choice or another.

[Torval the Harvester]

Well, I wrote the guide so you know where I stand. :)

For gems and rare metals, go Adept III, that's pretty uncontroversial.

For rare ore it's harder to judge. A weapon would be nice for most people. If you are making armor it might even vary by subclass, since quested armor has stronger and weaker pieces and you want to cover off your weaker areas, right? by default I assume a chest piece is the best route though. Then pants. As an outfitter I picked up (while people could still not tell the difference) two average unsullied pelts and made pants and a tunic for a monk-in-training. Then again at a very low level pelts are perhaps better used for packs (which you'll have for a while) then armor which you'll rapidly outgrow.

Just covered pelts. Have no clue about wood, atm. Probably a shield for me. But I haven't seen the effect of status-defraying furniture just yet.

For roots again, armor. I hear it can make paintings and stuff. Not sure about that yet.

[Deneldar]

My opinion on the pelt, sell it. Seriously, you'll benefit way more from the money it will sell for than having a "rare" bag or tunic. 10 slots are available now anyway and selling tailored armor is difficult.

Take the money and run.

[beylanu]

My opinion on the pelt, sell it. Seriously, you'll benefit way more from the money it will sell for than having a "rare" bag or tunic. 10 slots are available now anyway and selling tailored armor is difficult.

Take the money and run.

hehe..while I certainly can understand this point of view(it is true if you analyze with spreadsheet mentality) I would not go this route.

I have one non-sullied average quality pelt. I'm holding on to it til I can get the second one to make the rare lvl 15 10-slot bag(cured leather, I think). Why? To be one of the few who has one, with my own insignia "made by Beylanu" as well. Simple as that!

I will probably make lvl 25 before I get the second non-sullied pelt, either thru market or harvesting myself. At that time I will be churning out the 10slot backpacks like a mad halfling.

But I will still hang on to my cured leather backpack like it was made out of gold. =)

[Korsis]

You only need one rare pelt to make the cured leather backpack.

The rare pelt makes the hide plate, and you use a regular old tanned leather cord and regular old iron buckle.

A tier 2 backpack with 10 slots and 19% weight reduction is something I will use for a long long time. I would regard using a tier 2 rare pelt for armor as a total waste. Perhaps tier 5 will be different if you can make some really "end-game" armor, but people level past tier 2 too quickly for a rare to be worth using on attuneable gear, IMO.

And as someone else pointed out, the backpack is tradeable, so unlike the armor, you can use it for a while and then sell it when you get better. :)

[beylanu]

you're absolutely right Korsis!

After reading that I went ahead and bought the outfitter's refining 11 book(for an outrageous price, grr hehe)...

I am now a proud owner of a 10 slot 19%WR bag! I'm pretty sure this will last me til I'm well into my 30's.

[Torval the Harvester]

And correct me if I'm wrong, but you can actually sell the bag when the day comes, if you want to. :)

'Val

[Durgrok]

Thanks for the advice... I was torn because as I discovered, the EQ1 "Monk weight penalty" doesn't exist here, so armor that weighs 5lbs was actually appealing. ;)

I think I'll definitely be using my non-sullieds for backpacks....when I find them....

582 sullied pelts and counting!

[beylanu]

And correct me if I'm wrong, but you can actually sell the bag when the day comes, if you want to. :)

'Val

Indeed it is! But I have no plans of trading mine away, not even when I can start making the 10 slot bags at lvl 25.

For me to start selling them would take a miraculous sudden influx of rare tier 2 pelts. Not gonna happen! =)

[Gillysan]

I'm a monk and a tailor, so how about a subcomponent for a weapon? Unless I got this wrong, some of the rare pelts are used in making a weapon.

Cuirboilli Fist Wraps - Cuirboilli Strap, Boiled Hilt, Carbonite Spike

[Philipmoris]

I can see both sides here armor haveing more binifit than bag space vs bags never haveing to be atuned. Would be a hard choice except I have a level 10 alchemist / shaman alt who will never again level as a shaman. If i came across a T2 rare it would be a pristien tunic for my level 10 shaman alchemist hands down. If i came across 7 T2 rare pelts it would be a full suit. And if i came across 7 T3 rare non-sullied medium quality badger pelts? then they would become a full suit of crude carboli tailored armor and i would level my wee shaman to 14 then put em on HuZzA.

Philipmoris

[Raski]

Honestly, for T1-T3 I would recommend using the pelts for bags. The rare armor is attuneable. That means it can't be resold after attuned, so typically doesn't sell very well. Most people don't want to invest gold in armor they can only use for the lowest levels of the game. Bags on the other hand can be used by yourself, and once you reach a higher level as a tailor you can resell.

I would not recommend using T4 pelts for armor or bags. The prices are highly inflated on them, since they are used in quests. You're better to resell if you harvest one.

T5 pelts could be used for bags or armor. It is top-tier armor, so people who attune can continue to use at level 50 until they get an ultra-rare dropped upgrade. It also gives you 16 slots, which is the highest bag slots unquested.

Raski
36 tailor
Blackburrow Server

[Ausversucht]

I had a "rare" find the other day, I picked up a "average quality ? pelt" from someone the other day for 1cp so I decided to make a tunic for my friend's level 13 shaman. It was better in my opinion than the level 10 quest chestpiece and had noticeably better AC, so not so shabby use of a rare. I can make 10 slot bags all the time being a level 27 tailor, so I figured it was the perfect use of that rare.

[Xippen]

for using rares, i find that for the teir im currantly in (teir 4 atm) im normally better off making a bag, however, if im making something for a teir lower the armor has been a better way to go. (i wear medium armor, so any rare pelt armor wouldnt be used by me). as for rare roots(dandelion fibers especially) can make much more money being made into a rare rug(10G) as opposed to rare cloth armor(5G MAX), but also requires a carpenter(my best buddy)

The exception is teir 5 armor. at teir 5 it doesnt get better( for now) than rare armor, a 16 slot bag is nice, but i see the rare armor as more valuable, and as such the rare teir 5 resources are going to skyrocket in price when more peopple get that high(whord em now)

[Gedwin]

I wouldn't use a rare for a bag unless it was a tier 5, and then it's just a matter of preferance. If you make any tier 1-tier 4 rare bag it's just like the bag from the next tier +9% WR. To me that seems like a waste when WR doesn't seem to play that big of a role. I don't know about other servers, but on Guk you can usually buy a bag of the next tier cheaper than the rare of the current tier (ie a tier 4 bag is cheaper than the tier 3 rare).

On the other hand you can make some nice armor with the stuff. Also, don't forget you'll get an xp bonus for making something you haven't made before, so it might be worth it for the little extra umph to the xp bar to make something new. Personally, most of my rares get made into beastplates/tunics/robes/whatever and leggings. Also, now that pretty much everything is attunable rares are a little more in demand. That is the one things bags have over armor.

[Zendaken]

With the change to everything being attunable (or nearly so), this becomes much more viable as the biggest hindrance to the rare armor (IMO), was that it was attunable, so fewer people would want it. Now it'll stand out on its own.

[Lemamas]

I have a lot of experience iwth rares I think it is safe to say. I have over 40 T3 roots and pelts and about 30 T2 and about 20 or more T4 roots, (Pelts no they are too valuable for the manastone to use on anything else.)

For the tailored rares, the attunable change to all armor was the greatest thing to happen to armorers for the usage of rares. My armor rarely sold before and is starting to pick up but what I get more often is requests for rares. Lots of requests for rares. At this point I think a bag is a waste for the pelts and the roots are only good for armor. The biggest thing I think most people over look is the fact that petls are used in Weapons for monks, Light Armor, Bags nad the biggest one is the belt. Jewlers make killer belts with rare leather straps. From T1 to T4 I can not find any gear that you can use that is better than the rares. I am sure there are a few peices out there but not many. I always try to get a few belts and scarfs made up to sell and use as they are very nice upgrades from level to level.

Also, Bags are decent at the low levels for the 10 slots or 12 slots. Once I hit the 14 slots my bags sales tanked though I charge quite a bit for them. The reason for this is that there are 3, 20 slot bags and 1, 18 slot bag that you cna get. Most players that hit level 40 plus are able to get these bags and do not need yous as they carry boxes around for the other 2 slots.

To me that is the biggest grudge I have about the bags. There are better quested ones, and lots of better quested ones and from level 6 to 35 you are competing with a NPC merchat for th bag business and then the boxes have 8 slots more than your bags with no competition from NPC merchants. Not saying it is right or wrong, just saying I don't like it. I think the T5 rare bags sould be 20 slots. At least 18.

So my here is my opinion on the Tailor usable rares:
T1 roots: Well, just put a full set of that stuff on a mage on the island.... You will like it I think.
T1 Pelts: Why not do the same thing? by the time you have enough to twink an alt with you will have 14 slot bags and will not need anythign but twink gear.

T2 roots: Again focus on the armor and scarf. they are pretty nice for hte level.
T2 pelt: Toss up realy. The bag is 10 slots with 19%. If you are doing a twink caster the bags may be better then the 14 slot ones since the WR is needed more. Or just make a boat load of Belts.

T3 roots and pelts: These are both the same to me. ARMOR ARMOR ARMOR maybe belts too. The T3 rares are just above the AQ armor for all peices except the Chest peices which can depend on your style and preference for stats. But really, jsut ake the full set of rare so you do not have to do any of the AQ quests. What a pain in the but to get all those groups together and do them over and over and over yuk. T3 Rare armor all the way for me :)!!!

T4 roots: Again, I sell this armor for good money. I do not sell a lot of it but still for good money. It is decent and beyond the scarf there is not much else to do with the root.
T4 pelt: Um, hello? ManaStone? even if you get one of these and you are not at the level or on the quest DO NOT DO anything with it until you have 2. Always save one for yourself for the mana stone..... (WTB 1 High Qulaity lioness Pelt for manastone quest. PST)

T5 roots: Armor. No doubt. Maybe not every peice if you are an int caster, get the head, brace, and leggings. You can get the rest of your armor from boss drops that is close to or better than this stuff. Those 3 peices are primo though.
T5 pelt: I made a bag once for a guy. It was nice. If you have an open slot and are a caster? Get the bags... If not a caster, get the armor this is the last armor you will ever have made....

Well until next patch that is.

[Liandra]

Personally for rares I have the following scheme:

Gem/Soft Metal = Adept 3. (Obvious choice really)
Ore/Root/Wood = Furniture
Pelt = Bags (or sell if I already have better bags)