Stroma Wash/Resin/Oil Prices

[xirxx]

While my feeling of allowing people to use all level 10 books is neither here nor there, how much are you charging for a vial of the varied stroma items?

I have seen prices for 70c up to 4s each. While I want to try to sell some at a reasonable price, I am not going to spend a lot of time making them at a minor skill-up for 70c.

[Greg]

Even if you're selling for 70c that's 2s 80c per combine. Not too shabby I'd say, especially since you're spending 12c in ingrediants and using very very common foraging. This is the sort of thing that you will expect to sell stacks of at a time so I wouldn't necessarily expect to have a huge profit margin.

-greg

[Dorkus]

It depends if you're gathering the tubers or not, I guess. If you're buying them from other players, then you'll probably need to mark up your end product to make a decent profit. It can also depend on what the craftsmen and outfitters are charging for their end products on your server as well. If they're charging 20sp and only had to buy your resin for 2sp, then it's time to bump up your price a bit.

I haven't had a chance to check out the market just yet though, I've been too busy making stromas for friends. :)

I know I didn't answer your question... it all depends on supply and demand. ;)

[Lament]

I generally sell them for 35 to 50 copper. Why?

Cost in storebought materials for 1 attempt is 12c. (candle and liquid) A pristine success nets me 4 vials. that means my guarenteed cost is 3 copper per vial. The amount of time is takes me to whip up a stack of these is pretty short.

so 3 copper per vial plus what? 15-20 seconds for 1 vial of stroma (amount for 1 attempt divided by the number of vials produced)
plus...

a tuber.....

Since the tubar is not store bought and has to be harvested, what we're going to have to talk about is: What do you value the tubar (and your time harvesting it) at?

Personally, i have probably 2-4 stacks of tubars in the bank at most times. Plains roots seem abundant and I harvest all the time. (sometimes, even in exp groups- bad bard)

Now stroma and tempers are base ingredients, they need to be cheap for people to buy them in quanties. Expensive base ingredients will hurt other crafters and drive up their prices. (and the prices for stuff which i'm going to need)

Now, if we valued the tubar at 40 copper each (and i think thats high imo for a single tubar) then my cost per vial comes out to 13 copper.

6 copper candle + 6 copper liquid + 40 copper tubar = 52 copper divided by
4 vials produced = 13 copper per vial in costs.

now, even at 35 copper per vial , I'm almost tripling my production costs and at 50 copper I'm almost quadrupling my production costs. And this for a product I produce all the time for guildies, so I'm already at the chem table making it.

Furthermore, as many crafters begin to hit tier 3, I expect the demand for stroma products to decline. It is a tier 2 product after all and any scholar can produce it.

Moderate prices and high volume usually work better than high prices and low volume.

Now ink, there's a PITA. Ink prices once we hit Tier 3 should be interesting.

Lament -Qeynos- Butcherblock
18th lvl Bard
14th lvl Scholar
soon to be alchemist

[jinni]

I'm selling them for 50c each if you buy in whole stacks. 60c each if you happen to buy off of my merchant. Discount for buying in bulk, in other words. :)

Anything more than that I felt just wasn't right due to the fact that they cost next to nothing to make.

[Agathorn]

I currently charge 50c per for Stromas and Eolith Tempers, and everyoe I sell to finds it very very fair. In fact they find it so fair they often send more people to me :p

However that said, i'm watching the market to see how it adjusts and grows and its quite possible I may lower my price to around 30c each.

Right now though 50c is what I charge to account for the fact that I don't always get pristines.

[xirxx]

I forgot about the making 4 per pristine combine. So, 2s per combine - that isnt too bad.

[Culdi]

The way I figure is that the "collect 15 tuber" quest from wholesaler results in 12 silver. so 1 tuber is 'worth' 12s/15 = 80c. So 4 oils are 80c + 6c + 6c = 92c. 1 Oil is then 23c at the break even point. Adding a small markup for my time 30c sounds quite fair.

(likewise, t3 quests yield 48s, so a t3 resource is worth 320c. The makes a t3 oil/wash etc worth 83c. A small markup, and 1s sounds good)

[Lament]

That's an excellent point Culdi. I had forgotten the T2 payout for the collection quests. They certainly do help anchor the value of a resource.

However while the equation 12 silver/15 T2 resources gives us an expected value of 80 copper per t2 resource, i'm not sure that it can always apply in practice. The equation assumes that i have or can get the T2 resource in question. (My forestry currently excludes T2 gathering atm for example) And, that the quest is repeatable as often and as soon as you like. (which I'm not sure on, i do know you have to wait a while before you can reset a quest you dont want)

If I can only get 1 quest a day and I have to hope to get the tubar quest (because thats what i have), then it might take me several days to off load my tubars for 12S/15 at the wholesale task giver. And so, practically, the real world value of tubars may be a bit below the expected value of 80 copper.

However nit-picking aside, it does help provide a launchpoint from which to look at resource values. And, thats always a good thing :)

320 copper for T3? hmm.... (goes off to putter some more)

Lament -Qeynos- Butcherblock
18th lvl Bard
14th lvl Scholar
soon to be alchemist

[Culdi]

However while the equation 12 silver/15 T2 resources gives us an expected value of 80 copper per t2 resource, i'm not sure that it can always apply in practice. The equation assumes that i have or can get the T2 resource in question. (My forestry currently excludes T2 gathering atm for example) And, that the quest is repeatable as often and as soon as you like. (which I'm not sure on, i do know you have to wait a while before you can reset a quest you dont want)

Let me explain a bit more. Say I put up a stack of tuber for 50c each. Joe_Schmoe then happens to get a "fetch 15 tuber" quest. He could buy those tubers from me (total 7.5 silver) and then turn them in for a profit. Thats why I say the price is 80, not because *I* could get that much for them if I happened to have the right quest, but because thats the threshold that anybody else would buy at simply to complete the quest. If I charged 80c, then someone could break even buying from me to turn in for the quest.

(note: this doesn't take into account the 20% broker fee, nor take into account any changes they may make to the ability to buy things to complete the quests)

[Aiyana]

I currently charge 50c per for Stromas and Eolith Tempers

??? unless i am really misunderstanding the way the broker system works how can you make a profit ???

reason i ask is the only time i have seen the ore for sell on the market its always 2 1/2 silver or higher. and one person seems to regularly sell the ore for 25 silver :( . tho that might expalin why people are always asking for Eolith temper on Lavastorm.

so are those prices i am seeing in market for single or stacks???

[BlueMystic_28]

.....

Now ink, there's a PITA. Ink prices once we hit Tier 3 should be interesting.

Lament -Qeynos- Butcherblock
18th lvl Bard
14th lvl Scholar
soon to be alchemist
I have worked out my price for them to be 25s each atm which is only a labor cost of about 5s per combine. I think its kind of on the cheap side really. I haven't made any yet tho, yesterday alone friends gave me orders for over 90 stacks of oil/temper/etc. *sigh*

[Snikmorder]

Here is my calculations for Stroma (resin, wash, oil) for Runnyeye server.

Its based on pristine result every time.

First cost to make

1. Self farmed Tuber.
6cp Candle
12cp Distilled water (or was it 18cp? at work now)
50cp Tuber. (Easy to sell for 50cp on Runnyeye)
-----
68 cp a batch a 4 = 17cp each to make.

2. Bought Tuber low rate.
6cp Candle
12cp Distilled water (or was it 18cp? at work now)
72cp Tuber, Bougt at 60cp and 20% broker provision. (time is money)
-----
90cp a batch a 4 = 22,5cp

3. Bought Tuber high rate
6cp Candle
12cp Distilled water (or was it 18cp? at work now)
108cp Tuber, Bougt at 90cp and 20% broker provision. (time is money)
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126cp a batch a 4 = 31,5cp

One of the Stroma kan use maple instead of tuber (resin?). This should normaly ensure at the cost for making it shouldnt normaly go into High rate.
Tuber costs.
Normaly Tuber sells for 50cp to 120cp on Runnyeye. (add 20% if using a broker) If you are lucky you can get them for 40cp.

So whats a normal price to sell it for?
On Runnyeye 45cp is considered a low prise for stroma. 65 is a more normal price, and 85cp is the price you normaly have to beat when setting up your trader.

Offcourse its usual to give a stack discount. 12sp a stack for single stacks and 10sp a stack for several seem to be the going price DoS (Delivery at society)

Also 3xpack (one each of oil,resin,wash) goes for 30sp DoS.

I normaly sell for half if the customer brings the tuber.

[Snikmorder]

Runnyeye market for Eolith tempers.

Cost to make

6cp Candle
12cp Distilled water (or was it 18cp? at work now)
60cp Bougt at 50cp and 20% broker provision. (time is money)
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78cp a batch a 4 = 19,5 cp each. I dont manage so many pristines on this as on stroma, so for me the cost is a bit higher.

SalesPrices on this one is more stable but tend to go for 75cp or more.

[Yossarian]

I sell all Stroma items for 40c each and all Eolith Tempers for 50c. Over the past two days doing this, I've made about 2g for only two or three hours of actual combining. Mostly because 40c is way below everyone else's prices.

My method is just buying tubers cheap or trading for them. I have an outfitter friend (and his friend) who supplies me with tubers (and other materials: iron/electrum/turquoise/wood) as a 1:1 trade for stroma/eolith. Last night I bought 80 tubers for 10sp from someone else because the guy had no inventory room left. :)