RANT: Forges = Death

[Leinna]

/rant

Okay i need to rant about something that needs to change. Being a lvl 11 outfitter is not fair. All i can craft thats my level is on the Forge with some "Challanging items" on the sewing machine. No matter what i make thats my level or below i get slapped with 300-400damage hits from the forge. I die every time i try to craft an item on it. I'm only lvl 17 in the game so i have say 400 health. Why does a forge hit someone so hard for making a level 11 item. This is complete crap. I have so much debt and wasting material because i can't craft one thing to level up my skill in outfitter because i always die.

/end rant

"SCREENSHOT OF BACK TO BACK 315 DMG"

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[Sigrah]

*shrug* I never had any trouble as an Outfitter at Level 11. Looks to me that you're not countering the events that occur given you have a full power bar and are taking damage from White Hot Material Failure. Review your trade skill buffs, they are vital to doing all your recipes. At level 11, you should have the following for recipes using Weaponry:

Tier 1:
Anneal: +9 Progress, Small Power Cost
Hardening: +18 Progress, -2 Durability
Tempering: +18 Progress, Small Power Cost

Tier 2:
Indurate: +5 Durability, Small Power Cost
Vitrify: +5 Durability, -30 Progress
Strengthening: Small Increase for Chance of Successful Pulse, Small Power Cost

These buffs also counter crafting events. Crafting events occur at random, some can be ignored, some can't. Countering events can increase Durability and/or Progress that round, regardless of the severity of the event. The most serious events in Weaponry are: Extensive Hardened Metal, Oil Quench, Extensive Soft Metal, and White Hot Material. Failing to counter these events results in you often times taking physical damage and/or power loss. The buffs that counter each event are listed below:

Anneal & Indurate: Counters Minor Hardered Metal, Hardened Metal, and Extensive Hardened Metal.

Hardening & Vitrify: Counters Water Quench, Saltwater Quench, Oil Quench, Minor Soft Metal, Soft Metal, and Extensive Soft Metal.

Tempering & Strengthening: Counters Red Hot Material, Orange Hot Material, and White Hot Material.

Me personally, I chain cast Indurate and Hardening while doing Weaponry based recipes. I counter any events that occur and use Strengthening when any of the "Hot Material" events occur, otherwise ignore it most of the time due to it's power cost.

Hopefully this will help you out in progressing. I have to restate that it's important to counter any event that occurs, especially the lethal ones listed above.

[Leinna]

Thats my problem thanks never knew of counters

[kennicotti]

It isn't just forges. This evening a person near me knitted themselves to death on a loom.

[Arnah]

Ok for those of you geting beat on by your tradeskills. When you get ingame hit the K key for your spell book up at the top of the spell book there is a tradeskill tab. Click on this for your tradeskill spells. Load the right ones into a new hot key bar and then try crafting so you can counter the problems you get. If you still don't understand this try reading the tradeskill help second in the game Its very informative. Rember "When all else fails read the directions"

[Skidorion]

Or just re-arrange the counters in the book and keep the book open. Hotkeying is one way to do it. I put all the similiar items on one page and click them from there as needed.

Skidorion

[Phalia]

Ooh so how do you rearrange them in your book? The same way you would do so on your hotkey bars? Heh, I'm just going to go look. :p

[Danedori]

You can just drag them around to where you want and drop them. I use them straight out of my knowledge book also, though it does tend to take up a lot of my screen space. I'm hoping someone makes a new UI that shrinks a lot of the windows.

Danedori

[Burt]

It isn't just forges. This evening a person near me knitted themselves to death on a loom.

*choke*... ok, now I sprayed my screen with coffee... sorry about the death and all but that's just funny.. :D

[Arilin]

someone in my group tonight was saying that forges were the 6th leading cause of death of PCs...

treasure chests were #2

the captain pluknik or whatever on IoR was number 1..

i dunno where he got the numbers from, but i laughed when he mentioned the forge thing.. EVERYTIME im in there making something, someone dies to the forge

seriously, its all a matter of hitting the right button within 3 or 4 seconds.... its not THAT hard.. :rolleyes:

[Sergio]

*choke*... ok, now I sprayed my screen with coffee... sorry about the death and all but that's just funny.. :D

hey, that's no laughing matter - i would guess that in our great grandmothers' times, the knitting chair was a rather common place of death... :D

[Burt]

hey, that's no laughing matter - i would guess that in our great grandmothers' times, the knitting chair was a rather common place of death... :D

hehe aye. I can see it now, some little old lady in a rocking chair knitting away while cooing at her grandchildren who are playing on the floor. All of a sudden she goes "argh" and drops dead with a couple knitting needles in her ear or something. Along comes her son who looks at her and sighs "I tried to warn her, but nooo, she wouldn't listen".

[Syera]

I see this a lot when I'm tradeskilling, where the same individual is getting hit over and over again by the forge, loom, etc.

Now, I would like to say "hey, don't forget to counter those tradeskill random events", but people get real angry when you try and help them.

Have you guys tried to help out? And were the responses positive or negative?

I mean everyone misses the occasional event, but when I notice one individual getting hit over and over I have to assume they don't know about counters, and I sure would like to help them out!

[Torval the Harvester]

I see this a lot when I'm tradeskilling, where the same individual is getting hit over and over again by the forge, loom, etc.

Now, I would like to say "hey, don't forget to counter those tradeskill random events", but people get real angry when you try and help them.

Have you guys tried to help out? And were the responses positive or negative?

I mean everyone misses the occasional event, but when I notice one individual getting hit over and over I have to assume they don't know about counters, and I sure would like to help them out!

Don't be entirely sure. When I am making non-primary subcombines (and sometimes even primary if I've become so good I can fly on auto-pilot and get 90% pristine anyway) I sometimes just turn on my crafting device and do other stuff, and craft while semi-afk. Of course I don't do that when I'm smithing, but the odds of getting killed by anything else are quite low. Never actually happened so far. I've had some nice people try to help me by explaining crafting to me, but it usually ends with me helping them. :)

I'm making iron bars as I type this, btw, and no doubt I'm getting hit by stuff I don't know about. But since I'm using woodworking I don't particularly care.

'Val

[Burt]

I see this a lot when I'm tradeskilling, where the same individual is getting hit over and over again by the forge, loom, etc.

Now, I would like to say "hey, don't forget to counter those tradeskill random events", but people get real angry when you try and help them.

Have you guys tried to help out? And were the responses positive or negative?

I mean everyone misses the occasional event, but when I notice one individual getting hit over and over I have to assume they don't know about counters, and I sure would like to help them out!

Wow, you must have really bad luck hehe. Seems you meet a LOT of angry people.

Personally, I've had nothing but pleasant experiences on my server so far. That goes for tradeskill issues such as this one, quest problems and even the dreaded FFA vs My Node. :)

[Niami DenMother]

My *one* tradeskill death ever (counting beta during a time when the system was new and creatively flakey) was using the forge, making either the tin or iron plate, both of which were bugged to have the wrong events (the tin plate has been fixed, the iron plate almost killed me again tonight for the same reason). To add insult to injury, there's one even that does over 70% of my health if not countered properly (it's not supposed to be that high, methinks).

No other one piece of tradeskill equipment hates me as much as that forge ... not even the dreaded chemistry table!! It's now a mutual hatred society, which may explain why I am not planning on ever making a weaponsmith or armorer. The forge has made it abundantly clear that I should get near it as little as possible ... and when dealing with something that can spew molten metal at me, I tend to listen. ;)

[Lochlan]

I remember my first night in the instance I was making lumber at the work bench and there was a dwarf who died about every 2 minutes on the loom. All I could think was.. they should make a shorter loom becuse his beard must be getting caught.

Then beingt he brave barbarian beserker I am about to be I went in to make some tin spike's and had an unfortunate smelting accident that nearly killed me.. All I could wonder was.. "I wonder if my armor is going to take damage when I die..."

[Torval the Harvester]

I remember my first night in the instance I was making lumber at the work bench and there was a dwarf who died about every 2 minutes on the loom. All I could think was.. they should make a shorter loom becuse his beard must be getting caught.

Then beingt he brave barbarian beserker I am about to be I went in to make some tin spike's and had an unfortunate smelting accident that nearly killed me.. All I could wonder was.. "I wonder if my armor is going to take damage when I die..."

Yes, your armor takes damage. :)

[Ollimonger]

So I am sitting in front of a forge working on some Iron Bars (planning on making some short swords for a friend) when I decide I better go afk between jobs and get a smoke while I can. (Nasty habit I know, don't smoke inside but out on porch hence afk :) ) Well the Girlfriend comes home and asks what I am doing. (Obviously she wants to play EQ2. :rolleyes: ) I tell her I will be done shortly and then she can have the puter to play. About 4 Mins later she comes out on the porch and says she decided to go to bed early tonight and I can play for as long as I like. :eek: (seems kinda odd so I asked what she did.) Nothing she says just figured I would help you out making bars.......and ummmm......I have to go now. :confused: Well I figured she must have botched a few items combines. (though I have shown her how to craft several times and know she can do it.) So I go back in from my Smoke to find my poor Gnome literally smoking on the floor of the tradeskill instance. :eek: :confused: :eek: (Apparently as a Craftsman you can either miss or misskey more than 2 events without fear of death) My first death via tradeskill and I wasn't even there to see it happen. :confused: Guess its not safe to go afk anywhere. :( (My guild thought the whole thing terribly funny, and her embarrassment was so great that even I had to laugh at the whole thing. though the crude bar kinda sucked)

[Ilira]

Rant: (since this is the forum for it ;) ) -- people who park their toon right on mine, then go afk while crafting. Oh the joy of the resounding ARGH and OOFs as they get mauled by the tradeskill events ... Particularly joyful at for instance the Chemistry table where there are usually about twenty toons crammed into the small space. Mmmm ARGH and OOF in surround sound. :rolleyes:

Peeve: was cooking up some various alch components last night, and the RNG decided to hate me. I had Breeze on plus a decent homemade drink, but that *£!"&#! RNG hit me with the bottle events EVERY SINGLE PULSE. I am not kidding. I couldn't believe it. Given that the event counter is a buff that uses a buttload of power, I was quickly fubared and standing there like an idiot taking hits I could do nothing about. (Even tried Consume Ego but it wouldn't fire :( ) Fortunately I didn't die, but it got close. :eek:

Of course it was made even worse by the fact I hate people not countering events (see first para) :D and there was me, doing it myself :)

[skipt]

someone in my group tonight was saying that forges were the 6th leading cause of death of PCs...

treasure chests were #2

the captain pluknik or whatever on IoR was number 1..

i dunno where he got the numbers from, but i laughed when he mentioned the forge thing.. EVERYTIME im in there making something, someone dies to the forge

seriously, its all a matter of hitting the right button within 3 or 4 seconds.... its not THAT hard.. :rolleyes:


Less u get hit with 2 or 3 in a row which has happend the counters do have a recast timer :eek:

[Flendon]

Rant: (since this is the forum for it ;) ) -- people who park their toon right on mine, then go afk while crafting. Oh the joy of the resounding ARGH and OOFs as they get mauled by the tradeskill events ... Particularly joyful at for instance the Chemistry table where there are usually about twenty toons crammed into the small space. Mmmm ARGH and OOF in surround sound. :rolleyes:

When you said that I got a mental image of a boiling beaker exploding in choking fumes and everyone at the table falling over grasping their throat. Aren't you glad it isn't AE damage? :D

[Laeelin]

Less u get hit with 2 or 3 in a row which has happend the counters do have a recast timer :eek:

Or your lagging.

Or your buffing yourself and "white hot metal" hits as you click the buff (they really need to change it to where you just need to counter the even before the symbol fades.. nothing like the event appearing already greyed out)

At the very least the damage should scale with your level compaired to the items level.

[skipt]

Or your lagging.

Or your buffing yourself and "white hot metal" hits as you click the buff (they really need to change it to where you just need to counter the even before the symbol fades.. nothing like the event appearing already greyed out)

At the very least the damage should scale with your level compaired to the items level.


Nope no lag here :D With 3 machines running my lag is just no lag. I get more lag in eq1 then I ever did in eq2

[Laeelin]

Nope no lag here :D With 3 machines running my lag is just no lag. I get more lag in eq1 then I ever did in eq2

I live in the boonies..

My high speed choices are.

1) dial up .. not a reliable connection, lags at times
2) Satellite .. reliable connection, lags ALL the time.

So, i use dialup.

One day DSL, Cable, or even ISDN wil reach us.

[Zendaken]

Go take a look for broadband over power lines - there's a push to get that out.

[Laeelin]

Go take a look for broadband over power lines - there's a push to get that out.

Or LEO Satellite =)