Artistry skillups

[Tillek]

I'm a level 13 craftsman.

I'm wondering if artistry is somehow bugged. For one thing, if I open the book of knowledge and hover over the artistry skills such as Awareness, Slow Simmer, etc. I notice they all con red to me. If I right-click examine them, they con yellow but look different than the other skills - there's no skill type or level required/mastery listed for them.

I have tried a lot of cooking, and have had plenty of practice whacking the artistry skill buttons, but unlike the other things I do (fletching, for one), I don't think I've ever seen a skillup in Artistry. My skill is still sitting at 36/71, which makes it really hard to make anything :(

Anyone experience this or know what I'm doing wrong?

Tillek
11 Rogue, 13 Craftsman, Kithicor

[Ariadne]

I suspect the same thing. It wasn't until I started branching out into woodworking, tailoring etc that I realised I hadn't been getting skillups in Culinary (Artistry).

Please /bug report this as well :)

[Fizzit]

Level 12 craftsman, tonight I made some food for friend and I didn't want to give them 2 stacks of food because bag space is pretty scarce. So tonight I stopped the progress at the on the second teir (was supposed to be easy..... but best I made first time through) So when the second level was highlighted i would stop it. I made 3 skill ups making that stack of 20 sunfish jerky... Not sure if just luck, but before then only 2 other skill ups i can remember and I think one of those were also when canceling it early....
I didn't bug or feedback it. Probably need more to study it.

[skarsol]

I bugged it last week and its been posted on here a couple times, no fix yet. You can only get artistry skillups once per item at the end (small chance).

I'm level 22 now with only 88 artistry. :(

[Tillek]

Thanks guys. Glad to know I'm not nuts.

I bugged the spells last week as well.

Tillek

[Felonna]

No you sure arent nuts. I'm working on being a provisioner and make food almost exclusively. My artistry is 56/89. It goes up once about every 10 items made. Other skills like fletching go up every item almost.

I have thought it was maybe harder to get up to compensate for the lack of need to trade with other crafters, but still its frustrating.

[Gedwin]

I'm working on outfitter, so I'm not positive this applies here, but I noticed that when I starting using my level 2 counters as buffs my skill points started flying up. It might be that you guys are bugged, but try just pounding your tier 2 counters and see if that helps.

[Felonna]

I have found no luck with that. The artistry skill up happens at item completion. I have to pound the buffs sometimes to get progress with my bad skill :p

[Striider]

Wow, I though it was just me doing something wrong. I am level 17 Craftsman and have made hundreds of food items and Artistry is only at 56 of 91. It really goes up SLOWWWWW.

[javalin]

making food stinks that is all i give up till its fixed

[Goonie]

I noticed this too and it is the only "flaw" I have found with the basic artisan guide on this forum. Even tho it is fast and cheap, it appears down the road you will be paying for not using other skillup fields. Dont think it is a bug really, just like when you fight with a 1 hand weapon, your skill doesnt raise in 2 hand weapons. If Im wrong, please tell me since I have not /bugged it on mine yet LOL.

[Ariadne]

After today's patch i noticed a serious increase in artistry skillups. Wondering if Ive just been lucky or if they've changed it.

[Felonna]

Oh that gives me much hope! I'm off to try now :D

[Felonna]

Ok yes I agree! I just got 3 skill increases in 15 minutes (66- 68). Before I was getting them every 30-45 minutes.

*dances with her stove*

[Yawp]

I'm excited to hear about the increased skill-ups.

Last night I cooked up all the fish, frog legs, and coffee beans I've been carrying around for 7 adventure levels. I dinged 2 artisan levels, but I got maybe 5 artistry skill-ups in 2 hours of crafting. Except for the packets of spice I cranked out, I couldn't get any items above the "normal" level of quality, and the vast majority of my output ended up as the "shaped" stuff.

But now I'm outfitted properly with baked frog legs and black coffee! I feel like I should get me a canoe and spend some time on the bayou! Where's my recipe for duck gumbo?!?

Yeehaw!

[Rhava]

Yesterday I made exactly 30 combines and gained 2 skills... Have around 85 artistry. All combines were yellow lv23 receipes.

Too small sample to make any conclusions but still feels slow. Made 0.6 lv. Needed 2h of Nektulos forest gathering for that...

[Nusham]

Sorry to disappoint you: skill ups don't come faster. Yesterday I worked on artistry to get from 18 to 20 with mostly level 13-16 recipes (green / blue). In these 2 levels I got exactly 8 level ups (71 -> 79). Comes down to the 4 skill ups / level I had since level 10. Beside a stack of generic burlap pattern I only worked on artistry

I noticed that I get usually 2 skill ups right after each other (3 times in this session) and then no skill up for a long time.

[JuneauCB]

Artistry skillups are definitely slower than Fletching or Sculpting skillups.

My Fletching was at its level cap before I became a Provisioner just from an order of Caliun Paper and Maple Quills, and my Sculpting went up a couple times each time I made a Maple Strong Box. Artistry, on the other hand, seems to take an inordinate amount of completed recipes to raise.

Like others, I assumed that it was because of the ease with which one could gather the components for making Culinary recipes as opposed to Craftsmanship or Woodworking recipes.

[Dafydd]

Well I don't think that in the long run we will have to worry about the skill ups.

My Provisioner
From level 1 to 9 I did very little cooking. ~ 10% of my leveling.
From level 10 to 13 I did about 60% cooking.
At this point I was ~20 skill points behind my level cap

From this point on I did nothing but cooking exclusive.
By level 20 I had gained ~9 points on my level cap. ~11 below my level cap.
Most of above average gains were in levels 17 to 20

Little over Half way through level 20 I gained 6or 7 skill ups.
I am now only 5 points below my level cap.

I feel fairly confident that by level 22 or 23 I will be at max skill.

[Rhava]

Dafydd, I choosed Provisioner to make food, nothing else..

Been around 60% of my cap past 10 levels or more. Don't noticing any over time catch up.

I think the main issue is our 'buff' bug. So all our combine attemts may count as not using buffs at all, even if we do.

[skarsol]

I'm now 29 and my artistry hits the cap shortly after every increase. It catches up eventually. :)

[Dafydd]

Dafydd, I choosed Provisioner to make food, nothing else..

Been around 60% of my cap past 10 levels or more. Don't noticing any over time catch up.

I think the main issue is our 'buff' bug. So all our combine attemts may count as not using buffs at all, even if we do.

Well I almost never use buffs. So I don't think a buff bug is whats effecting you.

Could you please verify that i am understanding you correctly?

Your at only 60% of cap and you have always been at ~ 60% of cap.

At level 2 this would mean that you only have ~ 66 skill of ~110 or 66/110 and that when you were level 15 you were ~ 48/75 and that arounf level 10 you were at 30/50.

If this is the case I must ask the following. Are you making 1 to 2 items of every possible food? Or have you done any bulk cooking? The reason I ask this is because every time you make something for the first time you get an exp bonus. Also you get more exp for making the more difficult items. If your doing this then your gaining your levels Very fast compared to me. Wersonally I have only made perhaps a total of 20 drinks in an entire 20 levels of cooking. thats 1 total stack of drink. I made ~8 orange bears and ~ 8 Antonica coffe and maybe a few of something else I don't remember.

I have however made over 200-300 baked Crab over 200-300 baked Grouper and over 200-300 Cichlid steak. All in all I cooked ~800 tir 2 fish.

You see I did this because fishing is easy and I'm very poor so I was making mas quantities to sell to the vendor to make a bit of cash.

I was not doing buffs either because I was making these items while doing other real world work on my computer. I would Alt+Tab to the game ckick repeat then Alt+Tab to something else I was doing.

[Colodagh Cerenity]

I didn't notice the problem until I got to be around level 17. I did cooking for skill all the way from level 3. As for what I cook I try a large variety of different combinations.

Then I made 8 Maple strong boxes at level 18. My other skills raised into the 90's while artistry sits at 63. Something is not right here. All this effort and now I hardly ever make decent quality items. All watery or chilled mostly.

[Torval the Harvester]

Man, I'm sorry, but I assumed the people who know more about this must have diagnosed the problem sooner or I would have shared.

It is this simple. If you check out your cooking buffs they are not connected to artistry. Every other set of buffs is connected to a skill. Just examine them and it will tell you which one. The problem with artistry is that you are supposed to get a chance to improve your skill each time you use a buff. I think you have a better chance on higher level buffs, but that's not relevant here. You also get a chance to improve your skill when you finish an item. Now because the artistry buffs aren't properly connected you can't improve when you use them, the only chance you get to improve is on finishing an item. Which, if you think about crafting anything else, is probably less than 10% of the total chances you get making anything else.

Hope that helps with your work, and sorry not to share sooner. It seemed obvious to me. :(

[skarsol]

From the stickied known bugs thread...

"The various provisioning event responses are not tied to a skill (artisanry) like all other event responses, making it hard to obtain skillups."

Cause of the problem has been posted for prolly over a week now. :P

[Torval the Harvester]

Well, that's good then. I just can't understand why if it's known people are still stuck in rounds of speculation which amount to "it might have gotten better over the weekend." When cooking skills are properly tied to artistry one can presume it will get better, until they are we can assume it's still broken. Don't mean to sound obvious here, but that makes sense to me.

[skarsol]

Cause people are too lazy to read what other people write unless its in direct response to them. :P

[Rhava]

Are you making 1 to 2 items of every possible food? Or have you done any bulk cooking?

So far, been crafting almost only to gain xp. Been doing almost all receipts. You were correct about catching up.. I'm now closer to cap. Gained alot skillup this weekend. I was planned to 'bulk' and sell, but didn't have to since I make enough money selling tier3 raw material I get from mining, forresting, etc.

Cause people are too lazy to read what other people write unless its in direct response to them. :P

Sorry for my previous 'whine'. Torval and you made things clearer.

[Dafydd]

Hey Rhava, Grats.

I also finally capped my Artistry skill in the latter part of level 22. I am in early level 24 and Artistry skill has stayed maxed ( or maxed a few combines after my cap goes up) every 20% exp.

I can not harvest Tir 3 yet been buying all my raw resources. But that was because I had relatives over all throug hte holidays. I could do a little cooking off and on... Plan to get harvesting up real soon though.

Dafydd
20 Templar 14 Scholar
12 Warrior 24 Provisioner
+ Many other Alts.

[JuneauCB]

The skillups eventually catch up with your level caps but only because your progression slows down the higher you go, i.e., more combines required to gain experience. I would prefer for them to fix the bug (culinary arts not linked to Artistry).

[Striider]

The skillups eventually catch up with your level caps but only because your progression slows down the higher you go, i.e., more combines required to gain experience. I would prefer for them to fix the bug (culinary arts not linked to Artistry).

This is very true...I FINALLY topped out my artistry at lvl 23 or 24....terrible.

[Sorvani]

I can not harvest Tir 3 yet been buying all my raw resources. But that was because I had relatives over all throug hte holidays. I could do a little cooking off and on... Plan to get harvesting up real soon though.

Dafydd
20 Templar 14 Scholar
12 Warrior 24 Provisioner
+ Many other Alts.

why can't you harvest tier 3? node become visible based on artisan or adventurer level. and a gathering skill of 90 or so is all that is required.
The highest level alchemist in my guild is 37 Alchemist/17 Enchanter and he harvests his own materials i EL and Zek.

[Dafydd]

why can't you harvest tier 3? node become visible based on artisan or adventurer level. and a gathering skill of 90 or so is all that is required.
The highest level alchemist in my guild is 37 Alchemist/17 Enchanter and he harvests his own materials i EL and Zek.

Well I was a few skill points short of harvesting Tir 3. With relatives at my house I did not have time to run around dodging mobs searching for nodes to get my skills up a few more points. However I was able to stand in one place logged on all day every day with me or my kids walking by and clicking the repeat button constantly.

Soon as the holidays were over I went out and got my skills up.

Hope that answered your question.

[Sorvani]

aye, was wondering if there was a bug or something since you hadn't stated your skills weren't high enough :)

[Adaria]

I'm 27th level provisioner, and my artistry skill is now only a few points shy of max (136 / 139 or something like that).

Once you hit provisioner (level 20) it takes more combines to level than it did previously. Trust me when I say that with all the additional combines you'll slowly begin to close that gap.

I expect that over the course of the next level I should be able to finally max it.

It's different from other tradeskills that you can't just spam keys to gain skill, but personally I like it that way (I mastered fletching in 3 combines... that seems really stupid to me).

- Adaria

[JuneauCB]

They fixed the arts on Test to be linked to Culinary/Artistry. Yay!

Harvesting skills must be 95+ for Tier 3 nodes. A friend of mine tried to Forest with 90 skill but wasn't able to.

[Ariadne]

Juneau - ALL skills EXCEPT foresting need to be 90+. Foresting needs to be 96 or more..

I've personally fished and foraged in TS with skills that started at 91..

[JuneauCB]

Ack, ok! I wonder why they picked on Foresting...